Indicators: MA, RSI, MACD, Bollinger
Why four lines built from the same prices still look different
All four indicators read the same history of closing prices, but each one slices that history at a different length and adds it up a different way. A moving average takes one window, say the last twenty closes, and reports the middle of them. Bollinger bands take that same middle and add a measure of how far the closes strayed from it. RSI sorts the recent closes into up moves and down moves and compares the totals. MACD takes two averages of different lengths and reports the gap between them. Four sums, one price record.
The length you choose changes what the line can notice. A short window forgets yesterday quickly and swings hard. A long window holds old prices for weeks and barely flinches at a single busy afternoon. Two readers can put the same indicator on the same chart and see different lines, because one chose twenty and the other chose two hundred. That is not a setting to get right. It is a choice about how much history you want the line to remember.
This is why the four lines sometimes cross each other and sometimes sit on top of each other for days. When USD/ZAR drifts sideways, every average of it lands in much the same place, so the lines bunch. When it trends, the short sums pull away from the long ones and the lines fan out. The fanning is not a signal arriving. It is the arithmetic reporting that recent closes differ from older ones, which you could see on the candles without any indicator at all.
What each line can and cannot react to
A moving average can react to the general level of prices and to a change in that level. It cannot react to the order in which the closes arrived, because addition does not care about order. Two days up then two days down gives the same average as two down then two up. If the shape of the path matters to your question, this line will not answer it.
RSI can react to whether recent closes were mostly higher or mostly lower than the one before. It cannot react to the size of the whole move, because it works on the ratio of gains to losses, not the rand distance. A quiet week and a violent week can produce the same reading. It also cannot see price gaps, since a gap is one close compared with the previous close, nothing more.
MACD can react to a change in the relationship between a fast average and a slow one. It cannot react to price itself, only to the gap between two sums of price. Bollinger bands can react to how spread out the closes were, which the other three ignore. They cannot react to direction, because a band widens whether the market is racing up or racing down. Each line is blind to something the others can see, and none of them can see the future.
Choosing one line and checking the rand before you act
Write your question down before you open the chart. If the question is whether the recent move is large compared with recent noise, Bollinger bands answer it, because their width is built from that noise. If the question is whether recent closes leaned upward or downward, RSI answers it. If the question is whether a fast sum has separated from a slow sum, MACD answers it. If the question is simply where the middle of the last stretch sits, a moving average answers it.
One line, one question. Adding a second line that measures the same thing in different words does not add evidence, it adds a second reason to feel certain about the same fact. That feeling of certainty is the risk, not the line. When two averages of the same prices agree, you have confirmed nothing new.
Then price the move in rand. On USD/ZAR at 18.4100, a 0.0100 move is 100 pips, and at R0.10 per pip on 0.10 lots that is R10 gross. Your broker sets the pip value, the spread and any commission, and these vary between brokers, so the R10 is a worked figure rather than what you would receive. No indicator changes that subtraction. The line tells you what happened in the past. The rand tells you what the position costs you now.
One section, four indicators, one R10 move
| Step | Amount | Note |
|---|---|---|
| The section | USD/ZAR moves 18.4100 to 18.4200, then back to 18.4100 | a 0.0100 round trip, chosen for easy arithmetic |
| Moving average | the line barely moves | it averages past closes, so one small round trip is diluted |
| RSI | rises, then falls back | it compares recent gains with recent losses, so it reacts to the move |
| MACD | a small bump in the histogram | it measures the gap between two averages of past prices |
| Bollinger bands | price stays inside the bands | the bands sit a set distance from a moving average |
| Money on 0.10 lots | about R10 for the 0.0100 move | 0.0100 divided by 0.0001 is 100 pips; 100 x R0.10 per pip on 0.10 lots |
Your broker sets the pip value, the spread and any commission, and these vary between brokers. The R10 is a worked figure, not a promise of what you would receive.
Doing it once, step by step
Work through these in order on a demo chart of USD/ZAR, once, so the arithmetic stops being abstract. Keep one question in front of you the whole time.
- 01
Open one chart and remove every indicator
Start with plain candles on USD/ZAR and note the price near 18.4100. Look at the last twenty closes and decide in your own words whether the move was large or small. Write that sentence down before adding anything, so you have an answer to compare against later.
- 02
Add a moving average and change its length twice
Put one moving average on the chart, then set it to a short length and a long length in turn. Watch how the short one hugs the candles and the long one lags behind them. Notice that both are averages of the same closes, and that only the window changed.
- 03
Add Bollinger bands and watch the width
Add bands around the same average and find a quiet stretch, then a busy one. The bands widen in the busy stretch because the closes strayed further from the middle. Ask whether that widening tells you direction, and answer honestly that it does not.
- 04
Add RSI and find a week where price barely moved
Add RSI in its own panel and scroll to a flat period. Compare its reading with a period of steady decline of similar size. You are checking whether the line reacts to the size of the move or only to the balance of gains and losses.
- 05
Add MACD and compare it with the averages you already have
Add MACD and look at the two averages it uses. You now have several lines derived from the same closes. Count how many of them are averages of price, and notice that agreement between them is not independent confirmation.
- 06
Price the move in rand on your own lot size
Take a 0.0100 move, which is 100 pips, and multiply by your own pip value for your lot size. If that gives R10 on 0.10 lots, write it beside the chart. Check your broker's spread and commission, because those vary between brokers, and subtract them before you treat any figure as yours.
The mistake most people make here
The common mistake is treating four indicators as four independent opinions and waiting for all four to agree before doing anything. They are not independent: all four are built from the same past prices, so they often say the same thing in different words. The moving average and Bollinger bands both use averages, and MACD uses two averages of its own. Instead, pick one question you want answered, such as "is the recent move large compared with recent noise", and choose the one indicator whose arithmetic answers that question. Then check the rand cost of the move on your lot size before you act, because the indicator says nothing about spread or commission.Check yourself
USD/ZAR moves 0.0100 and you hold 0.10 lots. Using R0.10 per pip on 0.10 lots, what is the gross move in rand?
0.0100 divided by 0.0001 is 100 pips. 100 x R0.10 = R10. That is before spread and commission, which vary between brokers.
If the same 0.0100 move happens but the moving average barely changes, does that mean the moving average is broken?
No. A moving average is an average of past closes, so a small round trip is diluted. It is arithmetic, not a fault.
You want an indicator that reacts to recent gains and losses. Which of the four fits?
RSI. It compares recent gains with recent losses. MACD compares averages, and Bollinger bands measure distance from an average.
Questions that come up next
1 moving average setting — which one is the right one
There is no right one. The length is a choice about how much history the line remembers. A short window forgets yesterday quickly and swings hard. A long window holds old prices for weeks and barely flinches at one busy afternoon. Two readers can put the same indicator on the same chart and see different lines, and neither is wrong.
2 RSI readings — can the same number mean two different weeks
Yes. RSI compares recent gains with recent losses as a ratio. It does not measure the rand distance travelled. A quiet week and a violent week can produce the same reading. So the number tells you the balance of up closes against down closes, not how far USD/ZAR moved.
3 MACD gaps — what does it do when price jumps overnight
MACD works on averages of closes, so a single overnight gap is one close compared with the previous close. The fast average absorbs it slowly and the slow average even more slowly. The gap between them shifts, but the line cannot show the gap itself. If the jump matters to your question, look at the candles.
4 Bollinger bands — do they predict a breakout
No. They measure how far recent closes strayed from an average. When the closes bunch together the bands narrow, and when they spread the bands widen. Narrow bands say recent closes were close to the average. They do not say what happens next. That is arithmetic reporting the past, not a forecast.
5 four indicators — why do they agree so often
All four are built from the same record of past closes. The moving average and Bollinger bands both use averages, and MACD uses two averages of its own. When price drifts sideways, every average lands in much the same place, so the lines bunch. Agreement is the shared arithmetic showing, not four separate opinions.
6 rand cost — what does the indicator not tell me
It tells you nothing about spread or commission. On USD/ZAR at 18.4100, a 0.0100 move on 0.10 lots is about R10 gross, using R0.10 per pip on 0.10 lots. Your broker sets the pip value, the spread and any commission, and these vary between brokers. Check that rand cost on your lot size before you act.
The words used on this page
- moving average
- A line that reports the middle of the last few closing prices. The length you choose decides how much history it remembers. It reacts to the general level of prices, not to the order the closes arrived in.
- RSI
- A line that sorts recent closes into up moves and down moves and compares the totals. It reacts to whether closes were mostly higher or mostly lower than the one before. It cannot react to the size of the whole move.
- MACD
- A line that takes two averages of different lengths and reports the gap between them. It reacts to a change in that relationship. It cannot react to price itself, only to the gap between the two averages.
- Bollinger bands
- Two lines placed around a moving average, plus the average itself. They measure how far recent closes strayed from that middle. Narrow bands mean the closes bunched together, not that a breakout is coming.
- pip value
- The rand amount one pip of movement is worth on your lot size. On 0.10 lots of USD/ZAR the worked figure here is R0.10 per pip. Your broker sets it, so it varies between brokers.
- spread
- The gap between the price you can buy at and the price you can sell at. It is a cost on every trade and it is not shown by any indicator. It varies between brokers.
What to take away
- Each of the four is arithmetic on past closes, drawn as a line, so they often say the same thing in different words.
- Pick one question you want answered, then choose the one indicator whose arithmetic answers it.
- A 0.0100 move on 0.10 lots of USD/ZAR is about R10 gross, before spread and commission, which vary between brokers.